• Question: How many areas are there and which one do you specialise in?

    Asked by floydy97 to Anna, Craig, Richard, Shane, Sue on 15 Jun 2011.
    • Photo: Sue Carney

      Sue Carney answered on 15 Jun 2011:


      Hi floydy97. I don’t know how many areas there are in total. There are many! Here’s a list of the most frequently encountered areas, but this not an exhaustive list – just what popped into my head right now!

      Body fluids and DNA:
      This is my specialist area. Most, but not all scientists in this area are usually expert in both body fluids and DNA. This area includes knowledge of persistence times for body fluids (i.e. the length of time you expect a body fluid to remain on a surface or on an area of the body), interpretation of particular distributions of a body fluid (for example, looking at patterns of blood to try to work out how they were deposited – e.g. from an impact like a kick or punch, or from use of a weapon) and comparison of DNA profiles obtained from body fluids, to see if they match the DNA of a particular person. the DNA part can be complicated if there is a mixture of DNA from more than one person. That can make interpretation much more difficult.

      Fibre comparison:
      Fibre experts look for fibres that might be transferred from clothing when people have contact with each other. Sometimes fibres are very unusual and can be matched to a particular item of clothing. this might provide very good evidence that a person had contact with another person.

      Footwear marks:
      Experts in this area examine footwear marks from crime scenes and compare them to shoes from a suspect to try to address whether the suspect’s shoe left the mark. These experts look at the size, the pattern on the sole of the shoe, and any marks on the sole made by wear or damage. Sometimes damage features on the sole of a shoe are unique and this can provide very good evidence that a particular shoe made a footwear mark.

      Toxicology:
      Toxicologists test blood, urine and other samples from people to look for drugs, poisons or sometimes to work out how much alcohol they drank.

      Toolmarks:
      Experts in this area look at marks made by an object on a surface to try to determine if a particular tool or object was used (for example, was a particular crowbar used to force open a door.)

      Glass and paint analysis:
      Fragments or glass from crime scenes or from suspect’s clothing can be tested to see if they are from a particular source (e.g. from a particular window) by comparing to a reference sample of glass from that source. This is useful in helping to address whether a person broke that window, for example.
      Paint comparisons are similar in their purpose – to try to say if a particular sample is from a particular source. This might be used in the investigation of a traffic accident for example, in trying to say if a particular vehicle collided with another (because you might expect paint to be transferred from one vehicle to another during a collision.) Paint experts are very knowledgeable in manufacturing techniques and know the different types of paint used on cars or buildings for example.

      Fingerprints:
      This is Richard’s specialist area, so I’m sure he’ll be able to tell you much more about it than I can!

      Forensic pathology:
      Pathologists are doctors with forensic training! They are the ones that carry out post mortem examinations and try to work out what the cause of death was.

      Forensic Anthropology:
      This is a fascinating specialist area involving the study of bones. It’s Anna’s specialist field so I’m sure she’ll explain more about it. Also check the great info on her profile page.

      Fire Investigation:
      This is one of Craig’s areas I think. My knowledge is limited here, other than to say that fire investigators are usually trying to work out how a fire started (i.e. accidental or on purpose.) I’m sure Craig can explain more about this.

      Electronic forensic science:
      Experts in this area test computers and mobile phones to recover information (even if that information has been deleted by the user) or to look for evidence of particular emails or text messages for example.

      Firearms:
      Firearms experts identify and make guns safe (so that other scientist can test them for other types of evidence without endangering themselves.) They might also ‘test fire’ a gun to look at the marks made on the bullet when it comes out of the barrel. They can compare the test bullet to one found at a scene to see if that gun was the one that fired the bullet used in a crime.

      There are many other specialist areas. I’ve heard of an expert in pollen who looks at pollen samples from clothing and tries to link them to a particular geographical area. I also haven’t mentioned forensic odontologists who look at teeth, or entomology – the study of insects (in a forensic context, it might be those found on dead bodies…) This website might be useful if you want to look up some more information: http://www.all-about-forensic-science.com/index.html

      In a typical case, it’s common for there to be more than one evidence type being investigated. That usually means that more than one expert works on the case, so we all have to work together to develop what we call a joint strategy. This means we work out the best order to do our tests in, so that any tests carried out by one expert don’t destroy the evidence being tested for by another expert. Sometimes we have to compromise because it isn’t possible to do all the tests for all the evidence types without destroying or losing something. In those circumstances, we have to decide which tests are more likely to give useful results and which bits of evidence will be of the most value in the case.

      That was a great question! I could write lots more, but I’m sure I’ve written far too much already! πŸ™‚

    • Photo: Craig McKenzie

      Craig McKenzie answered on 15 Jun 2011:


      Hi Floydy97,

      Sue has given a very good and comprehensive answer but i might like to add a few things as well. I am a forensic chemist specialising in fire scene examination, analysis of drugs and abuse and toxicology samples and alcohol analysis. Most forensic scientists are expert in a small number of areas but have a basic understanding of other areas too. We cant know everything about everything and that is important to know.

      In a forensic laboratory you can generally divide the areas into Chemistry and Biology. Sue has explained the biology bit very well – As for the Chemistry area it would be split into further smaller areas:

      Chemistry: General Chemistry, Drug Analysis (the analysis of drugs of abuse like cocaine, heroin, cannabis, ecstasy – where we prove the drug is what we think it is and then work out how strong it is) and Toxicology (where we have samples like blood, urine or even the liquid from inside your eyeball (!! This is called the vitreous humour which is a funny name for something so icky) from people who have died suspiciously or have taken a deliberate or mistaken drugs overdose. Sometimes we take blood or urine samples from people have been taking drugs or drinking alcohol whilst driving and we look to see what is in their bodies.

      General Chemistry contains all the other chemistry bits that don’t fit into the other two and you never know what you are going to get asked to do!

      General Chemistry:
      Fire Scene Investigation, analysis of common fire accelerants (things like petrol and diesel and other liquids that make a fire burn really well) we can recover burnt objects from a fire scene and can find tiny traces of accelerants – fire scenes are one of the most difficult and dangerous crime scenes to investigate – most of the evidence is either destroyed or hidden and we have to work like archaeologists to find the evidence, sometimes buried under collapsed buildings or rooms. Fire is often used by criminals to destroy evidence – to remove any evidence that the suspect has left behind or to burn bodies so that the cause of death is difficult to figure out, or sometimes fire can be used just to try to kill or injure people. In some cases fires can just be horrible accidents that look suspicious at first.

      paint and glass – these are most commonly analysed in crimes like road accidents (normally hit and runs) or burglaries but sometimes assaults too (i worked on a case where paint found on a baseball bat linked a suspect and a murder victim), The machine we use for glass analysis has the best name. It is called the ‘GRIM’ which always makes me laugh but stands for Glass Refractive Index Measurement..

      For shooting incidents or in a crime where a gun is thought to have been handled, most scientists are involved in the recovery of what we call gun shot or firearms discharge residue (GSR/FDR). When someone fires a gun, is nearby when a gun is fired or has handled a gun that has just been fired might pick up little pieces of chemicals found in the bottom of the bullet which explodes when the trigger is pulled. We use very careful techniques to recover these special particles from hands, clothing or suspects. I have been involved in quite a few cases where we examined cars which have been used a getaway cars in armed robberies and have then been dumped. We can often prove that a gun has been in the car by taking lots of sticky tapings from inside the car which will pick up the gun shot residue if it is there. This also works for explosives and i have been involved in some terrorism cases too. Back at the lab we use a very special (and expensive) microscope to look at the particles – it’s called and Scanning Electron Microscope (SEM) which is very cool and you get amazing pictures from it. Here is a picture of a gun being fired and you can see the cloud of particles when the trigger is fired. It also shows pictures of the particles that can be recovered from those close by:

      http://www.gunshotresidue.com/forensic.htm

      Some other scientists can also study the path of the bullets when they have been fired or the markings found on bullets after they have been fired (sometimes they are removed from the victims by a pathologist or a doctor).

      Here is a website with some other info: http://www.nabis.police.uk/

      As well as these there are people with other skills that can be involved in criminal investigations but who do not work in a forensic laboratory:

      Entymologists – these guys study bugs and maggots that might be found on a body if it had been lying undiscovered for a long time – Shane is an expert in this area of forensic science.

      Palaentologists – these guys study the tiny grains of pollen that may be found in crime scenes and these can sometimes prove very useful when you want to know where the victim may have died and where the body is eventually found.

      You can also have experts in handwriting or documents examination, people who look a footwear marks, fingerprnts experts like Richard and forensic anthropologists like Anna – the list goes on!

      This has of course left out those specialists who spend every day going to crime scenes recovering evidence and recording them carefully and who often ask forensic scientists to come to the crime scene if there is a need for specialist advice or in general if the crime is very serious. These people are, scenes of crimes officers (SOCOs) photographers, crime scene managers and the like.

      So you see there are many types of scientists who can work in science cases relatedf to criminal investigations (forensic science). We each know a lot about our own areas but we have to work closely with people who know more about other subjects than we do.

      So in any one case i might work with a forensic anthroplogist like Anna, DNA and biology experts like Sue and Shane and fingerprints experts like Richard. It’s all about working together to get the best results and a lot of science is like that – it makes it more fun to work with other people too.
      I hope that helps – let us know if you have any other questions!

    • Photo: Richard Case

      Richard Case answered on 15 Jun 2011:


      Good question floyd97,

      There are hundreds…. I would recommend a great book Encyclopedia of Forensic Science by Brian Lane. It is easy to understand and is quite cheap to buy. I have included a link to Amazon

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Encyclopedia-Forensic-Science-Brian-Lane/dp/0747239045

      What you have to remember is that any discipline can be a forensic science. The word “forensic” just means that you are using it for a legal purpose…. so if you were an expert on postage stamps (philately) and you were trusted by the courts to give evidence based on your knowledge and experience… then you would be a forensic philatelist.

      I am fully trained in fingerprints and can therefore give evidence in court. I compare fingerprints found at crime scenes with criminals to look for a match. I can do this at my desk or by using a computer system which holds all the fingerprints of criminals in Britain. This is currently at 20 million!

      I have also done some training in footwear… but nowhere near enough to present evidence.

      I have a good working knowledge on DNA and how the police use it.

      I can hold a conversation in most other forensic disciplines.

    • Photo: Shane Pennington-Cooper

      Shane Pennington-Cooper answered on 15 Jun 2011:


      As Sue and Craig said there are literally loads of forensic science areas such as handwriting analysis and lots of areas which you may not deem as forensic science such as archaeology or geology (study of rock formations) all these areas can help cases. My specialist subject is without a doubt DNA and Entomology which is the study of insects, arachnids and chilopods, try not to confuse spiders as insects as they have 8 legs and insects have only 6. Chilopods are animals such as centipedes. It is a fascinating subject to be interested in, to estimate the post mortem interval (time of death) from a single maggot within a window of 2 hours is a very indepth skill.

    • Photo: Anna Williams

      Anna Williams answered on 15 Jun 2011:


      Hi,
      The other guys have given very comprehensive answers to your really good question. As Richard said, basically an expert in ANY science (really, anything, at all) can be called in to give evidence in an opinion if it is relevant to a court case. The term ‘forensic’ just means anything can be useful in a legal context….so really, the answer is that any subject can be applied to the legal context and therefore there are an infinite number of ‘forensic’ sciences – any science you can think of.

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